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Hello and welcome to Marshall Matters with me, Winston Marshall at the Spectator in London.

Today I'm joined by Matt Goodwin, Professor of Politics at the University of Kent, and author of four books including Sunday Times

Bessela National Populism and his most recent book,

Values, Voice and Virtue, the New British Politics,

which I finished this weekend,

and explores the change in politics

from the onset of hyper-globalization

with Margaret Thatcher through to the populist

revolts of the 2010s. And he spoke recently at the National Conservative Conference around the

corner at the Emanuel Center. I did. And I'm sorry for ruining your weekend.

Well, Matt, thank you for coming to speak with me. I hope I'd like to speak about your books and the National Conservative Conference,

which as we speak now is kind of, I think we're maybe on the tail end of a big Twitter,

flare up with some of, particularly it seems to aggravated the people that you describe as the cosmopolitans in your recent book.

And curious also to speak to you about the Conservative Party legacy and future,

the Labour Party, where they are and various things like immigration that tie in all of these things.

But I thought perhaps before going into that,

for people who haven't yet read the book,

...