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Hello and welcome to Marshall Matters with me, Winston Marshall for The Spectator.

Today I have the pleasure of being joined by Nick Gillespie, who is the editor at large at the Libertarian magazine and website Reason.com, and's the author of the book, The Declaration of

Independence, and a friend. Thank you so much for coming to speaking. It's extremely great to be on

here. Can I suggest that you change the name, though, of the podcast to the Marshall Plan?

Then start becoming more prescriptive and demanding how the world to change.

If I was American, that would be the name.

Yeah.

Well, I was wondering if we could start.

There's a few things I want to discuss.

I want to ask about libertarianism and American libertarianism, censorship in America, free speech in America. But I want to discuss. I want to ask about libertarianism, an American libertarianism, censorship in America, free speech in America.

But I wanted to start, if I may, with something that I find that I haven't fully understood, which is the book banning.

Obama last week on his Twitter put out, and on his website, put out a piece decrying the book banning,

not just of LGBTQ literature.

He even mentions conservative literature, and it's the case that books like genderqueer,

a graphic novel by Maya Kobay, Flamer, a graphic novel by Mike Barato, and this book is Gay by Juno Dawson.

These books seem to be progressive literature that is being banned.

At the same time, conservative literature, if it can be called conservative literature,

like, for example, Abigail

Shry's irreversible damage about the phenomenon of gender dysphoria amongst young teenage

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