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Hello and welcome to Marshall Matters with me, Winston Marshall at The Spectator.

On this show, I speak to heterodox thinkers on taboo topics, and today, taboo topic is climate change.

So the apocalypse apparently is nigh, flooding, drought, heat waves, fire, mother nature is striking with vengeance.

Doomsday us tell us constantly that we're reaching the point of no return.

The UNHCR claims there are 20 million displaced

people a year owing to climate change in extreme weather. And Klaus Schwab founded the World

Economic Forum, who were meeting this month in Davos. In his book, The Great Narrative,

tries to build a whole moral and values framework on the shared belief that climate disaster is upon us.

So today I am joined by environmentalist, I should note, sceptical environmentalist,

Bjorn Lomborg, founder of the think tank Copenhagen Consensus, who I'm told are trying to set priorities for the world.

And author of the book, False Alarm, How Climate Change, Panic, Costs us Trillions, Harts the Poor and Fails to Fix the Planet.

Bjorn, thank you so much for taking the time.

It's a great to be here.

So in your book, you argue green pathways proffered by environmentalists, such as the IPCC,

will cause 3 million more deaths a year than the fossil fuel pathway.

It will see 26 million more extreme poor every year and will cost a staggering $509 trillion a year

that by, quote, insisting on cutting carbon through climate policies

that push up food prices instead of taking a broader view of how to best help people and the planet,

we will have consigned 54 million more people to starvation.

You're certainly a heterodox thinker,

and I'm keen to get into all of that.

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