As a credit card machine salesman, I was door to door, so no one had invited me to show up at their business in the middle of the day and interrupt them and try to sell them something.

So I was never well received and I was like, ah, I gotta figure out a way to sell something without having to talk to anybody.

And it's not that I'm antisocial or anything, but I equated human interaction with people saying,

hey, go screw yourself, I don't want to talk to you right now.

So that's how I got started.

Hey Matt Teriel here on another episode of Fotle

Thursday right here on the epic Real Estate

Investing Show. Got a hot one for you today.

All right, so on today's episode of Thought Leader Thursday, I am joined by the

creator of Behavioral Dynamic Response response which is an automated marketing

method that speeds up your sales cycle by customizing your marketing

messages based on your prospect behavior. He is one of the most sought-after direct

response internet marketing consultants and copyators on the planet and so please help me welcome to the show Mr Frank Kern

Frank welcome to epic real estate investing.

Man, thanks for having me that's funny, that intro.

It must be true because it says so right there on my website.

It does.

I'm stellar research.

Frank, happy to have you today. What were you doing just prior to becoming

the most sought after direct response copywriting guy on the planet and what inspired the transition?

All right so I think what you mean is like how did I get started doing stuff online or

at what point in my online career? I just tried to get really creative with my

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