We take one courageous act and then parlay that into another and then into another and to another and all the sudden we're confident people.

Welcome to the one you feed throughout time great thinkers have recognized the importance of the thoughts we have.

Quotes like garbage in garbage out or you are what you think ring true and yet for many of us our thoughts don't strengthen or empower us.

We tend toward negativity self pity jealousy or fear. We see what we don't have instead of what we do. We think things that hold us back and dampen our spirit.

But it's not just about thinking our actions matter. It takes conscious consistent and creative effort to make a life worth living.

This podcast is about how other people keep themselves moving in the right direction how they feed their good wolf.

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And here's the interview with Mark Shapiro. Hi Mark welcome to the show thank you so much Eric it's an honor to be here. I'm happy to have you on I appeared as a guest on your podcast it's been a while now but we had a great conversation then so I'm excited to get you on and turn the tables on you but before we start the show.

Before we do that let's start like we always do with the parable there's a grandfather who's talking with his grandson he says in life there are two wolves inside of us that are always at battle.

One is a good wolf which represents things like kindness and bravery and love and the other is a bad wolf which represents things like greed and hatred and fear and the grandson stops and he thinks about it for a second and he looks up at his grandfather and he says well grandfather which one wins.

So I'd like to start off by asking you what that parable means to you in your life and in the work that you do.

It's a great parable and I absolutely love it because it really rings true for me I'm someone who's very tough on myself and for a lot of my life I would constantly be feeding the bad wolf and wouldn't neglect the good wolf.

So it's something that I've definitely been present to and even on a good day I find that my bad wolf still shows up from time to time and with the light comes the darkness so when I'm feeding my good wolf Eric I feel free I'm in service and in contribution to others I'm giving I'm fun actually care free and sometimes bold and you know operating from my heart and the bad wolf I definitely decide on myself that I don't love to see the light.

I don't like the light of day like I don't love for other people to see the bad wolf but the bad wolf is kind of a loner and angry and feels like an outsider and I'm appreciative and I'm a taker and operating from a place of fear and jealousy and as I mentioned before hyper critical of myself so big big you know like big difference between the good wolf and the bad wolf.

When you notice that do you have any ways in which you if you notice you're in that bad wolf do you have any ways that work for you to flip it around or is it sometimes just a mood and you roll with it or what do you do.

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