Now on 710 W0OO, the Mark Simone show.

In for Mark today, here's Jim Kerr.

Mark is enjoying his vacation, and I'm enjoying the opportunity to spend time with you.

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and we have on the telephone with us right now dr. Catherine Ramsland who is a world-renowned

expert on what it is that makes murderers tick. She's the author of, I believe, 68 books.

Doctor, would that be right? 68 books? Seventy-four. Seventy-four books. Okay, I'm not

completely up to date then. 74 books. She writes about crime and forensic science, assistant provost and professor emerita of forensic psychology and criminal justice at DeSales University.

You have not only studied people who kill people for fun and enjoyment, for whatever reason it is, that they choose to do such

a horrible thing. But you've actually had an opportunity to get to know some of them. And I know

that you've written about it quite often, and you're often interviewed on television when this

subject comes up.

And here in New York City, of course, Luigi Mangione is accused of killing the United Healthcare CEO, Brian Thompson.

And there are very, let me put it this way.

This is the only way I can say it.

There are very attractive young young well-educated

women who go to that courtroom who seem to be in love with him why does that happen and how often

does it happen well it happens for a variety of reasons depending on the person we're talking about, but quite often they have framed him according to what they want to see him to be, we're lacking in information about why he would have done this or really that much about his background, so they can easily fill in what they need him to be for their own fantasies.

And so they see him as sort of an activist, an underdog against the big Goliath of corporate greed,

this kind of sexy hero in a way.

And that just makes them more excited about him.

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