From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the treatment, the apparently very noisy home edition.

I'm in the position of being able to say I'm a fan of my guest today in so many

different venues as a podcaster, as a producer, as a DJ, and now as the host of a show on Apple.

Watch. The sound, my guest, of course, is Mark. Thanks so much for being here.

Thank you. I mean, I told you just before we started, but I'm also a fan of you, and, you know, I've been reading you for a long time.

Well, I'm thrilled to have you on because one of the cool things about this show is I can't think of another show that goes from Hank Shockley to King Princess, both of whom I'm big fans of.

And what's really interesting about the show to me is that each episode is kind of like

another piece of the origin story of Mark Ronson.

But also, it's about, for me, what pop really is about, which is about technology and how

each new wave of technology furthers the wave of pop, doesn't it?

Yeah, you know, it's so weird because going back to the Beatles, they occupy such a warm and fuzzy place in our collective consciousness because they're the songs that we grew up in and we think of them as being like, like I said, warm and fuzzy, but actually what they were doing at their time was so progressive technologically and pushing it forward and talking to Paul McCartney about how he made

the drum loop, like probably one of the first great, like, awesome drum loops in pop music on Tomorrow

Never Knows and how they would go in there and they would constantly want to push things forward

and they were in their sort of musical arms race with the beach boys and Hendricks and constantly trying to outdo each other. And then, like

you said, threading through to Hank Shockley, I mean, maybe it's because I came up in the era of

DJing and sample culture where it felt like anything that had a cool sound to it or a nice drum break

was in the same pile.

So in fact, actually, sorry to name drop and brag, but I mean, that's the nature of this show.

Paul McCarty called me not that long ago.

And my first kind of instinct was to go into a panic going like, oh, God, he saw this

scenes in the show and he hates it.

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