From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the Treatment, the Home Edition. I'm Elvis Mitchell. If you ask yourself,

is it possible there could be a sequel to the book, Move Fast and Break

Things, how Facebook, Google, and Amazon, corner culture, and undermine democracy? Yes,

will be my answer. And it's the most personal, interesting memoir I've read in a long time.

The book is The Magic Here. It's author, his author, this book, and now author this book and Director Emeritus of the

USC Annenberg Innovation Lab. My guest is Jonathan, I'd love to talk to you, but I think we're

out of time after that introduction.

Good to be here, Elvis. Good to have you here. And the thing that both of these books tackle

in, I think, both sort of macro and

kind of micro ways, is can there be an intersection between art, commerce, and politics?

Yeah. Well, I certainly think I grew up in a time when they were clashing in a kind of brilliant way.

You know, I'm older than most of your listeners.

I'm turning 74 this summer, but in the summer of 1962 and

1963, Bob Dylan was singing,

blowing in the wind, the times they are changing,

and the civil rights movement was driven

by music. And when Martin Luther King gave his, I Have a Dream speech on the Washington

Mall in front of 300,000 people, it was music, Bob Dylan and Joan Baez and the freedom singers that provided

the kind of energy to the event. And so for me, at that point, there was a kind of perfect

alignment between politics and culture. It didn't last that long because the events of the late

60s kind of tore it apart, but it was for a while. It was incredibly powerful. And fecund, I think,

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