Mark Hertling and Ruben Gallego: A Rush to War
The Bulwark Podcast
The Bulwark
4.6 • 11.6K Ratings
🗓️ 3 March 2026
⏱️ 70 minutes
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Summary
The facts on the ground and the ludicrous statements speak for themselves: The administration inadequately planned for the execution of this war. That's likely why six service members were killed in an insufficiently protected facility. It's why our embassy in Riyadh and our consulate in Dubai were hit with drones. And the administration clearly does not have an exit plan. Venezuela had Trump thinking this could be a cakewalk, but in the Middle East, circumstances can change in a heartbeat. Plus, Israel's role in pushing for the military campaign, Marco's effort to pawn off responsibility for the war, and Gallego's endorsement of Graham Platner in the Maine Democratic Senate primary. Sen. Ruben Gallego and Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling join Tim Miller.
show notes
- Pre-order Hertling's new book, "If I Don't Return: A Father's Wartime Journal"
- Watch The Bulwark’s LIVE coverage of the Texas Senate primary on Substack YouTube
- Carol Leonnig's reporting on the firing of FBI agents with Iran expertise
- Tickets for our LIVE show in Austin on March 19: TheBulwark.com/Events.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. We got a double header for you today in segment two, Senator Ruben Gallego, who's been on fire on social media about all this. |
| 0:23.7 | So I wanted to grab him and talk to him about how the Democrats should deal with the Trump-Iran war news. |
| 0:30.0 | And tonight for the political junkies, we'll be live on YouTube and Substack as the Texas Senate primary results come in. |
| 0:37.2 | I guess there's some Texas |
| 0:38.0 | House Racist Demometer as well. So come check us out on your platform of choice. But first, |
| 0:44.1 | he's retired U.S. Army Lieutenant General. He served as commander during the surge in Iraq from |
| 0:49.1 | 2007 to 2009. He writes to Military Affairs for the Bullwork, thank God. And he's the author of a new book. |
| 0:54.9 | If I don't return a Father's Wartime Journal. It's released next week, but it's available for pre-order now. I'll put the link in the show notes. You go pre-order that book right now. It's Mark Hartling. How you doing, man? Hey, Tim. It's good to be with you. And thanks for hawking the look for me. I need it. It's wonderful. I was pageing through it last night and this morning. |
| 1:13.2 | We'll get into the book at me i need it it's wonderful i you know i was pageing through it um last |
| 1:12.0 | night and this morning and it's night we'll get into the book at the end but it's it's nice it's one of |
| 1:15.8 | these books that's like uh my attention span as being negatively impacted by you know the |
| 1:23.0 | internet by my twitter addiction etc and i read way more books in a year in the past few years than I have recently. So the nice thing about your book is it's one of those. You can just kind of pick up and do a couple chapters in the middle, you know? You don't have to commit to the whole. How many pages is it? 325, I think, something like that. You don't have to commit to the whole 325. you can, you learn some life lessons along the way if you just pick up a couple chapters. We'll get to that. We'll get to it. But first, we got to do more podcasting. I think the first question is, do you have any more clarity today that we did yesterday on what exactly it is that we're doing here. It seems like we have some |
| 2:02.0 | mixed messaging coming out of the White House. No, it's actually getting worse from what I can tell. |
| 2:06.7 | There's more messaging of exactly what the end state is. And that's important to the military |
| 2:12.2 | commanders. I mean, you know, if you say regime change or regime decapitation or take out their Navy or destroy all |
| 2:19.9 | their ballistic missiles, you have different planning cycles. I think that the military operational |
| 2:25.0 | campaign is really going toward destroy as much stuff as possible within the country. But, you know, |
| 2:32.3 | the Israelis, I think, have maybe even a different mission set |
| 2:35.5 | based on their actions. They are looking at true decapitation without any kind of thought about |
| 2:42.5 | what comes next. They just want to destroy all of a round's leadership, kill all of them, and |
| 2:48.8 | destroy as much stuff as they can as long as the Americans are hanging on. And what's interesting, kill all of them, and destroy as much stuff as they can, as long as the |
| 2:51.5 | Americans are hanging on. And what's interesting, Tim, I heard this morning that the Iranian |
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