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This is Design Matters with Debbie Milman from design observer.com.

On this program, Debbie Milman talks with Marian Descharce

about the expressiveness of hand lettering,

about how drawing is an intense form of looking and about the limited value of technology in teaching art to children.

I love the iPad and I love my kids playing in the iPad, but I love them playing with paint and drawing materials so much more because

it's absolutely their world and no one else's world on that piece of paper.

Here's Debbie Melman. Marion Duchars has a lot of fun. You can tell by her illustrations.

Their sure-handed scraws and exuberant letters with clear evidence of the human hand, of Marion's hand to be exact.

Her style is instantly recognizable and much loved.

You can see it on the covers of American GQ, on the editorial pages of The

Guardian, and in the cookbooks of Jamie Oliver. You can also see it in Marion's own books. They're called Let's Make Some Great Art and

Let's Make Some Great Fingerprint Art. The books argue that anyone can learn to draw or at least enjoy the process.

Marion Deshars, welcome to Design Matters.

Thank you.

Marion, the first question that I want to ask you is one that I haven't asked any of my guests in a very long time,

but this is a question that seems absolutely apropos for you.

What is your first memory of being creative?

The first memory I have of doing something very creative was with my brother and we were probably

age seven and nine and we thought if we bought some cheap

sweets we could repackage them and sell them to people in in our street and

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