This is The Guardian.

The absolute heart of the story is and always has been male on female abuse.

And now we've got like all the receipts and somehow we're talking about

a local political scandal and that's convenient, isn't it? There is a far bigger scandal at play here,

guys. There's nothing they think they can't buy, own and flip to make it look like they're the good

guys, okay? A week after the release of the new Epstein files, will his enablers ever be held accountable?

From the Guardians today in focus, this is the latest with me, Lucy Hoff.

Joining me is Marina Hyde, Guardian columnist.

It's great to have you back with us, Marina.

Thanks for coming to see us.

So it's now been a week exactly since the latest batch, shall we say, of Epstein Files was released,

in three million of them. So we've had a week to look over and look at the famous names,

some of which we didn't know the full extent of their relationship with Epstein, right,

people like Elon Musk, Noam Chomsky. There are a lot of very rich, powerful, influential men who should be answering

questions or speaking publicly this week, but who have not done so. The one person who has,

notably, is Melinda Gates.

Maybe it's a woman to turn up. Yeah, it's not a surprise. But she has given a podcast interview where she's taken a question on this. And she's spoken about this as a moment of reckoning. I wonder if you agree. Yeah, I mean, my position is that it isn't a moment of reckoning at all. I mean, I've written about this today. I can see everyone obsessing about the kind of local political fallout.

And in our case, you know, obviously rightly, Peter Mandelson has gone from the Labour Party.

He's resigned from the Lords, all those things.

But I find it fascinating that we're obsessing and we will continue to obsess about this as a sort of Mandelson scandal,

when to me, the absolute heart of

the story is and always has been male on female abuse.

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