Hello and welcome to Ways to Change the World. I'm Krishnan Guru Murthy and this is the

podcast in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas in their lives and

the events that have helped shape them. My guest this week is a chronicler of our time.

She's multi-award winning, very very funny, every week at Channel 4 News, somebody or other

says, I wish we could get Marina Hydon. But she doesn't really do a lot of TV and radio

and I'm delighted to say that she's sort of put her columns into a book called What

Just Happened and that's why we've got you on. It is indeed thank you so much for

having me, I'm most honoured. Well I'm very surprised that you've actually

sort of come to do an interview about this talk because you don't normally.

I'm very unfashionable in that I just think I'm a writer and that is it and so I don't

really do any broadcast things but I'm making a very honoured as exception for my book

and because I think that's probably far to the publishers so it's an exception but it's

a delightful one. I read your columns every week obviously and you know for a day Twitter

will be full of, did you see what Marina Hyde said? Did you see Marina Hyde's line about

X? But putting them all together over sort of five years of politics, it's quite traumatic.

When I was putting it all together I was thinking they sort of appear once or twice a week

and just the sort of relentless onslaught of how, but the story just gets worse you know

I had to think of somewhere to start it so I decided to put a pin in just a week or

week or so before the referendum just after the murder of Joe Cox. I really feel like

that's the moment where we kind of passed almost perhaps irrevocably, suddenly we're

not out of it yet into that sort of dark timeline and I remember when I was writing a lot

after Brexit, somebody said to me, oh gosh you know this is such fun but what would you

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