It's 300 measurements of my brain and found nine areas 10 times larger than the normal brain. What's unfortunate is in watching some recent interviews with you, I feel like they're not really getting at your story as much as they're getting its story to give. One of the theories I have is always that you don't become a success in this business until someone champions you are falls in love with you and I don't mean romantic love, just believes in you. And like Jim Jacob, He's the one who pushed me in the direction of 3s.

That was wild.

And 100... who are falls in love with you. And I don't mean romantic love, just believes in you. And like Jim Jacobs, he's the one who pushed me in the direction of threes that go. Wow. And 112 parties. We had a taxi party every single Friday. We were the cool kids on the Paramount campus. You're talking like a rock star. It's just that we talk. So here we are. Here we are.

Both Chicago.

Amazing.

In the land of dreams. I know you don't get to meet that many Chicago people. Well, not many people get out of Chicago, but we'll get to that. And there's a reason why most people don't get out of Chicago. We'll get to that too. But okay. So April 6, 1952. Yes. Babies born in the year of the dragon are considered to be the luckiest and destined for the most

success in life and are ambitious confident and have a strong sense of justice and fairness. Well that describes me to it's he. I don't know. I'm asking you know it's funny it's my uncle lived I lived in Logan Square in Chicago right on Logan Boulevard and we had a dancing school in our backyard and a beauty shop in our kitchen and my uncle was the neighborhood not only astrologist but he also taught art at the Catholic grammar school next door so we were big on astrology. So I didn't even know about the dragon. I just knew that I was in aries and all my rising sign and everything else. Well I thought that was interesting because like yeah it's cool because you know when you're interviewing somebody that you're familiar with through the public sphere, you have an impression of their public character. And then in researching you, I thought, well, there's this other person, and I'm not saying they're different. There's a... Well, we'll see, but we'll get there. But I can't wait. You saw many things to get to. But in digging around for different information,

I saw that and I thought it seemed to me to describe my sense of you as who you really are. Does that make sense? I feel like it and I don't know because I don't know you, but I felt that it's sort of because your spirit always struck out to me. I've seen you on television I don't know how many times, but in movies,

but you always stuck out differently than most people.

Oh. struck out to me and seeing you on television, I don't know how many times, but any movies, but you always stuck out differently than most people. Oh, it's, you have an impression. Well, I always had a lot of energy, even as a little girl. And my mother used to say, I go run around the block a couple of times, get rid of some of that energy. And I was just always the most energetic of the family. So I think maybe that's what I think is. I don't know. I'm not trying to put something on you. That's what we're going to talk, but your sense of spirit has seems to run through your whole life in a consistent way. Does that make sense? It does. I think you're right. I think. Is it a sense of self or is it a sense of spirit? Does that make sense? It's maybe a sense of both. It's, you know, I think being one of six kids, you look for things that maybe make you a little bit different. And so my sister always says that, you know, there were among the family members, there were 10 confidence coupons and she said, and you took nine of them, right? And my response to her was there was a tenth, you know, but I think it wasn't even that. It was like I always felt like I don't know. I had something to prove to myself, not even to my parents. I knew I had a lot of energy. I knew I was smart in school. I knew I had this crazy memory from the time I was six. I was four girls in my family and two boys growing up and my sisters are gorgeous. They're all beautiful. And so I always felt like the personality kid and the one with the, I'll figure it out, you know, that kind of thing. And then I chose show business too. So, you know, but I think there was always a strong sense of purpose, maybe more than self or spirit. It was a sense of purpose. I always had a purpose. You know, these are all kind of ephemeral memories, but I have memories of seeing you on David Letterman. Oh yeah. And whenever you would be on, he was always kind of a bit flirty with the female's guess but with you it was like he was almost kind of awestruck but he kind of he

seemed to fumble around Yeah. And whenever you would be on, he was always kind of a bit flirty with the female guests. But with you, it was like he was almost kind of awestruck. But he kind of, he seemed

to fumble around around you. Well, he used to rip up the cards. He'd like, well, let's not talk about this. You know, I mean, we, I love Dave. I did his show many, many times. and we always had like such a great kind of chemistry as you said. So, you know, from the first time I

did it, and he was the host from the first time I did it,

and he was the host on the tonight show,

we just, that was it.

So let's jump in here.

Okay.

Parents, Loretta and Joseph, I know you mentioned.

Polish and Greek.

They were both first generation.

Yeah.

Well, having grown up in Chicago, you know,

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