This is the BBC.

Genius. Genius. Genius.

Welcome to Evil Genius, the BBC podcast where we take legendary achievers from history and ask,

were they actually any good?

I'm talking stellar figures who are actually rather rogue-ish,

icons who are sometimes just bang out of order.

Sometimes they weren't even going to be revealing lovely stuff about people you thought were vile.

Can you still respect a vision, reveal the art or thinking once we've reflected on what utter

dastards they were or not?

Here, I'm interested in agreeing on only one thing. Were they more evil, ready for the

sound effect guys? I know. That's where the budget went. Or genius.

No grey areas in here. I want reductive, idiotic, simplistic, stick them in a box thinking.

Because at the end we will decide with the today's subject,

his evil or genius. I've got three fellow comedians helping me do this today.

It's easy. I don't have to get inside your heads. I know the way you guys work.

I've got comedian, writer and director, Kiri Prichard, my claim in the room, who I've worked with

twice in the last two weeks once, where she was dressed as a school girl, pretending to bully me.

And once where I was dressed as a turtle jumping up and down in the garden.

No more context needed.

No more context needed. The leggings were tight and I haven't recovered from you.

A comedian, podcaster and science nerd. I believe you even got a science degree,

Izzy Lawrence. Yeah, well the science degree is geography. So I don't know if that counts.

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