Spiritual exercise is like physical exercise in that.

It works if you do it.

But there is both on a physical level and a mental psychological, emotional, spiritual

level, a force of gravity.

And if you are not working at keeping your physical muscles up, then gravity will pull them

down.

And we can do.

If you're not working through spiritual exercise, a conscious, proactive, vigorous practice

of forgiveness, atonement, compassion, and so forth, then spiritual gravity, I.e. fear,

will pull down your thought forms and your attitudes and your energies.

And we can do spiritually and morally and ethically and psychologically and emotionally,

just like gravity will weaken us physically if we don't physical exercise.

Hey there, it's Jonathan.

This week's conversation is with spiritual teacher, author and activist Mary Ann Williamson.

She has been teaching for a better part of three decades, maybe longer.

Around something called a course of miracles.

And that's, I think what a lot of people may have come to know her for.

But she's also been fiercely involved in a lot of causes that are designed to relieve

suffering and really increasingly involved in the intersection between spirituality and

activism and politics.

And if you ask her, and I do ask her, and we go into this conversation, there never was

and there still is not a separation between any of those, they're intertwined.

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