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Enjoy this preview. Welcome to Pop Pantheon All Access, the podcast,

where we do even more over-analyzing of all your favorite pop stars and do other stuff too. This is

your host, DJ Louis XIV. Thank you all so much for being subscribers. I'm here with a dear friend

of the podcast. I think our most return guess ever. Wow. What an honor. Yeah, it's truly, I'm like one of our first guests ever. And you've just kept coming back. And we really appreciate it. It's Rich Josviak of Pot Psychology. Rich, hello. Hi. So good to see you. Good to see you too. We're here to take a break from what has been a absolute kind of horrific last five to six days for me waiting through the

Taylor Swift discourse to talk about an artist around whom there is not so much discourse happening

it seems at this moment. But at one time there was maybe the Taylor Swift of her day at certain

moments in her career. The leading commercial artist, the leading diva on the planet for a long period of time.

We're talking about Mariah Carey's 16th studio album, Here For It All, which came out a few weeks ago.

I think before we dive into contents of this album and also like what it sort of is telling us about Mariah Carey in this particular moment in her career.

I want to zoom out a second and touched on something that you and I actually have talked about a few times before on the show,

but feels worth talking about again, which is just the late in career diva album and sort of like the conundrum that these formerly centrist mainstream pop divas face as they enter their 50s,

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