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Sounds True: Insights at the Edge

Margaret Wheatley: Warriors for the Human Spirit

Sounds True: Insights at the Edge

Tami Simon

Religion, Religion & Spirituality

4.61.8K Ratings

🗓️ 2 January 2018

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Margaret Wheatley is a writer and management consultant who draws upon systems analysis, chaos theory, and other diverse fields of study to inform her work. She is the author of Leadership and the New Science and Who Do We Choose to Be?, among others. In this episode of Insights at the Edge, Tami Simon talks with Margaret about the cycles of life and history, especially as they apply to the chaotic contemporary world. Margaret emphasizes that we need to see our present moment with clear eyes, even if doing so might court despair. Tami and Margaret speak on the need to create "islands of sanity" within our communities and what it means to become a warrior for the human spirit. Finally, they discuss what it means to be such a warrior without engaging in the same fear and anger we are trying to fight. (62 minutes)

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This program is brought to you by sounds true.com.

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At sounds true.com you can find hundreds of downloadable audio

0:08.0

learning programs, plus books, music, videos, and online courses, and events.

0:14.3

At sounds true.com, we think of ourselves

0:17.2

as a trusted partner on the spiritual journey,

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offering diverse, in-depth, and life-changing wisdom.

0:24.0

Sounds True.com, guest is Margaret Wheatley.

0:45.2

Meg is an American writer and management consultant who studies organizational behavior.

0:51.5

Her approach includes systems thinking, theories of change, chaos theory, leadership

0:58.5

and the learning organization, particularly its capacity to self-organize.

1:04.0

Meg is an author of nine books, including the best-selling book,

1:09.0

Leadership and the New Science,

1:11.0

and her new book, Who Do We Choose to Be?

1:15.0

Facing Reality, Claiming Leadership, Restoring Sanity,

1:21.0

Where she turns to the new science of living systems to help leaders persevere in

1:27.2

this time of great turmoil. In this episode of Insights at the Edge, Meg and I spoke about the cyclical nature of life

1:36.2

and how we are currently in a destructive end phase of a cycle of history in the United States, how we need to see this clearly, and also

1:47.4

the despair we can feel in looking at this reality without buying into the myth of progress.

1:55.2

We also talked about her teaching on becoming warriors for the human spirit and how such

2:02.0

warriors refrain from fear and aggression and engage in

2:07.2

meaningful work in the context of community. Finally we talked about what it might mean for each of us to create islands

2:17.6

of sanity right where we are during this particular time in human history. Here's my very moving and deep

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