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This is Words Matter with Norm Ornstein.

We've got the votes and screwed the rest of you.

And Dr. Kavita Patel.

These might be some of the smaller moments, you know, with all the bombshells.

Did you catch people's eyes?

Hello, and welcome to a very special episode of Words Matter.

We don't often have guests on our pod, but today we decided actually for a while now

we've been trying to get one of our favorite friends on an off the pod, Dr. Ben Miller.

And before I do a bit of a longer intro, I'll just say that this is kind of a special podcast

that we're doing off-sequence, and therefore we're not going to have a member's section or this section.

We're just going to do a kind of a broad and friend conversation that everybody can listen to

and we encourage everyone to listen to.

So that Norm and I felt it was a pretty important time in our country.

I'll be honest, when we wanted to reach out to Dr. Miller, it was really after October 7th.

And he was like one of the first people we thought of to just help us think through how to process what's happening.

Sadly, the events of the last several weeks, including the most recent mass shooting.

And I say most recent because there wasn't another one yesterday.

Just had less media attention in another part of the country.

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