Brett McKay here and welcome to another edition of the Art of Manliness podcast.

I first read Mansearch for Meaning by the neurologist, psychologist, and philosopher

Victor Frankel while I was in high school.

I've reread it several times since.

It's one of the books that's had the

biggest impact on my life. So it was a real treat to speak with Alexander Vesley,

Frankl's grandson, about his grandfather's ideas and legacy. Today on the show, I talked to

Alexander, who was a documentarian and like his grandfather, a psychotherapist, about Frankl's life,

his development of logotherapy, a type of meaning-centered therapy,

and how that approach to the psyche was tested during Frankl's time in the concentration camps.

We discussed why Frankl said that everyone has their own Auschwitz,

how a lack of existential meaning can create depression,

the three ways to actualize meaning in your life,

whether meaning is something that is objective or subjective,

the freedom we have to choose our attitude in all circumstances, including suffering, and more.

After the show's over, check at ourley, welcome to the show.

Thank you for having me.

So you are the grandson of Victor Frankel, who created logo therapy.

It's a type of existential therapy that we're going to talk about today.

And I'm sure many of our listeners are familiar with Frankl in his book, Man's Search for Meaning.

I remember when I read that book back in high school, it had a big impact on me.

But for those who aren't familiar with Victor Frankel, can you give us a thumbnail biographical

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