he lost and he went home peacefully.

So like that is the big takeaway of Adams.

He was the first president to lose and he went home peacefully. folks, welcome to the Michael Steele podcast.

Oh my gosh, Labor Day has come and gone.

The summer is winding down, but hey,

the fall is gonna be exciting as hell

and wanted to have a great conversation.

I guess today is Dr. Lindsey Trevinsky.

She's a presidential historian and executive director of the George Washington

Presidential Library at the Mount Vernon.

Previously, she was a non-resident senior fellow

at the Center for Presidential History

at Southern Methodist University,

historian at the White House Historical Association,

and a fellow at the Klug Center at the Library of Congress.

She is the author of the book we're going to get into.

It's a new one out now, making the presidency,

John Adams, and the precedents that forged the republic.

I did a wonderful program with her

through the Institute of Politics,

policy politics and history

with the University of

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