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G-I-R-L-S-C-A-M-P-S-G-G-E-N-P-S-G-G-E-S-G-G-E-N-P-E-S-G-G-E-G-E-G-G-E-G-E-G-E-G-E-G-E-N-E. I'm so happy you're here. I'm so happy, Haley Rawl, and I am joined today by Shannon Ricks. Welcome Shannon.

So excited. I know. I'm so happy you're here. Shannon is the CEO and founder of Modern Eve

therapy practice. Also a licensed marriage and family therapist herself with many specialties.

The ones that we're going to be kind of focusing on today are eating disorders

and body image concerns. And we're actually just talking about this off air, but I'm so excited that

you're the first person I'm interviewing with this kind of new shift in girls camp because I feel like

after deconstructing religion and patriarchy and all of the things,

for women especially, there is a lot of reclaiming and rebuilding around body image and appearance.

It's a huge, huge thing.

And you are an expert in that.

You have so many good things to say. So I just can't wait

to get into it with this kind of new perspective shift. Totally. Totally. Yeah. I hope it's exactly

what you're looking for. I'm sure it will be. I'm sure it will be. The first thing I want to ask you

is how you found this work or maybe how this work found you, particularly as it relates to body image,

appearance, eating disorder stuff. Yeah. So it's quite, quite a journey. But I'd say I noticed in junior

high, so tell me if you noticed this too, that girls would walk up to each other and do this ritual

of like they'd look down and look

up and then find something to compliment each other on. It was like how we greeted each other

as female. So I'm a seventh grader just being like, this is so weird. Like, why do girls do this?

Two, I was raised in a home where I was never told I was pretty or cute. I didn't get appearance

based compliments at all. So I just knew I was smart and a good

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