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Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention?

Hello

You're listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg host of the Remnant podcast brought to you by the dispatch and dispatch media

As I mentioned at the beginning of the David French podcast last week

Which in my part of the timeline we just recorded

I'm very much under the weather which bums me out because I was really looking forward to this conversation, but

This is one of the rare times where I actually took notes

To do this so I think I'll be okay

Our guest today is Francis Fukuyama

He is quite arguably one of the most important social scientists political scientists political theorists

Um, or around today certainly in the English language and he doesn't know this but I actually owe him a debt of gratitude because

On a job interview at the American Enterprise Institute 30 years ago

Ben Wattenberg asked me to explain what the end of history and the last man was about and apparently my answer was

sufficiently satisfactory

That is like all right. Let's give this kid the the internship. So

I'm grateful for that was the most I've gotten out of a of a book professionally

And I think in my lifetime for that reason alone. So

Professor Fukuyama, welcome to the room

Thanks very much for having me Jonah. I should I should demand payment for that service that I provided

I maybe I should

Well, I've tried to repay the service over the last couple decades by defending the book is misunderstood

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