The Hello there. This is Mark Bowerline with another conversation. Before we get to it, a word about one of our sponsors.

You may have seen a recent article in inside higher ed.com that began, Wyoming Catholic College has a lot of unusual things about it,

each enough to merit a story in itself. Wyoming Catholic is a conservative Catholic

college that educates students in the great books and Catholic tradition. It also teaches

horsemanship and banned cell phones on campus. I love that. And it turned down federal funding.

President Glenn Arbery describes the mission

this way. This college is engaged in deep ways with the agony of a culture that has lost its

spiritual center. We're adventurous and poetic and deeply Catholic. He likes to cite Dostoevsky

in crime and punishment. Low ceilings are bad for the soul.

The ceilings rise at Wyoming Catholic,

which is located in the foothills of the Wind River Mountains,

the curriculum centers in the Western tradition.

Its Catholic identity builds upon Thomas Aquinas

in the Magisterium of the Catholic Church

and engaging with God in the wilderness.

Find out more at Wyoming Catholic.

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We have with us today, Tanya Marie Lurman.

She is the University professor at Stanford University where she teaches anthropology and

psychology.

She's the author of when God talks back, understanding the American evangelical relationship

with God, and a new book, which

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