Hello there. This is Mark Bowerline with another conversation. Before we get to it, a word about one of our sponsors.

You may have seen a recent article in Inside Higher Ed.com that began, Wyoming Catholic College has a lot of

unusual things about it, each enough to merit a story in itself. Wyoming Catholic is a conservative

Catholic college that educates students in the great books and Catholic tradition.

It also teaches horsemanship and banselfones on campus. I love that.

And it turned down federal funding.

President Glenn Arbery describes the mission this way.

This college is engaged in deep ways with the agony of a culture that has lost its spiritual center.

We're adventurous and poetic and deeply Catholic. He likes to cite Dostoevsky in crime and

punishment. Low ceilings are bad for the soul. The ceilings rise at Wyoming Catholic, which is

located in the foothills of the Wind River Mountains, the curriculum centers

in the Western tradition. Its Catholic identity builds upon Thomas Aquinas and the Magisterium

of the Catholic Church and engaging with God in the wilderness. Find out more at

wyomingatholic.edu. Andrew Zurnaman is co-founder and president of Cana Academy and

author of a handy little book entitled

History Forgotten and Remember, which will be our topic today. Welcome, Andrew.

Thanks so much, Mark. Great to be with you and I so very much appreciate the opportunity

to have a chat with you. First, let me ask a general question. Tell us, what is Kana Academy?

What do you do? We are an educational mission entirely devoted to supporting

teachers in the humanities. The team and I, the master teachers that are our academy overall have

collectively 100 plus years of experience teaching in private schools and public charter schools.

And two years ago, we decided with a circle of friends and allies that we wanted to take

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