And the Hey everyone. It's Andrew Clavin with this week's interview with Jeffrey

Anderson. Jeffrey Anderson runs a think tank for real people called the American Main Street Initiative.

They call it a think tank for everyday Americans.

You can find it at American Main Street.org.

And he was also Donald Trump's director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

He's a numbers guy.

And the reason I like talking to numbers guys is because this is a time of transition.

Things are ending and things are going to be beginning.

And it's really, really hard to know where reality is.

At this point we're getting this, we're kind of in this information crisis, we have this information

flooding through us, but we just don't know whether to believe that Taylor Swift is a

Saiop or, you know, Donald Trump is a god. We have no idea. And so numbers

matter and especially having honest people read numbers matters.

So I want to talk about Jeffrey about where we are and where he thinks we're going.

Again, that's the American Main Street in the future of Jeff.

It's good to see it.

Thank you, Drew.

Good to see you.

So first of all, let's talk just for a minute.

Why the American Main Street Initiative?

I mean, it's kind of, I'm amazed you actually got that,

that you got the title American Main Street

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