Hey, it's Anna.

I remember exactly where I was standing in my kitchen.

When I heard the episode, we're going to share with you today.

It was my first time hearing it because I was on maternity leave.

It was 2019, an actor, Mahershala Ali, was one of our guest hosts while I was out.

He'd been a guest on the show before, and then he went on to win two Oscars.

And we were thrilled when he agreed to do an interview for Death Sex and Money.

Mahershala is from Oakland, and he asked to interview another actor from the

Bay Area, Rafael Kasal.

I'll be honest, the conversation is such a blur because I was sitting across from somebody

I deeply admire.

Who is asking me questions about me, which was wildly uncomfortable.

Because I was like, I want to ask you everything, but I'm going to try to resist.

Because that's not the prompt.

I called up Rafael in California where he's preparing for the premiere of his new TV show Blind

Spotting, which is based on an indie movie he made with Duffy Diggs by the same name.

I asked Rafael what he remembered about his conversation with Mahershala.

I think mostly what I remember is that Mahershala is a very generous conversationist.

Yeah.

And he's one of the more active listeners I've ever encountered.

And so it felt like a very safe conversation.

Not in terms of subject matter, but in terms of the care that every moment was handled with.

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