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I'm Dr. Randall Bach. I'm here to unpack myths and explore innovations and discuss health

in general. I find nobody better than my guest from last week and it's clearly a commendation on his

abilities and articulation, knowledge, and so forth to have him back again. It's Patrick Cariel, and he's at HHS, an advisor, and formerly with Maha in various of its

iterations and incarnations.

He can explain the Maha Action, Maha Institute, and so forth, and perhaps some of the

ins and outs, and how Maha is in the news, maybe, you know, one way or another, either pulled

or pushed into the news. Patrick, thank you for being on my show. Of course. Thank you, Randy,

for inviting me back here again and thrilled for this discussion. So what, I mean, Maha's make America healthy again.

We can stipulate that it was at some point healthy, but what are the current motivations

in Maha?

What are the kind of the, some less than the maelstroms, we're whirling around at little eddies

and storms and so forth brewing? I mean, there's astroms, we're whirling around it, little eddies and storms and so forth, brewing.

I mean, there's a lot of news within and without MAHA and MAGA in general.

Some of it, I think, is forthright, and some of it I think is agit prop, you know,

which is kind of a portmanteau word for agitation propaganda.

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