Can the miracles of Jesus be explained as magic?

Since magic is forbidden in the Bible, can a Christian be a magician?

And are there any principles from the practice of magic that might help us discern truth today in our age of fake news?

These are just a few of the questions we are going to explore today with our guest, Joshua, mmm, a practicing magician, member of the Academy of

Magical Arts and a student in the Apologics program at top school theology where I

teach I've had you twice Josh it's a thrill to have you on can't wait to dive in I'm your host Sean McDell I'm your co-host Scott Ray and this is think

biblically Josh thanks for coming for coming on. Thank you both.

Thank you for having me.

It's an honor.

Yeah, I've totally been looking forward to this.

Before we get into some of these questions,

I'd love to hear, why did you first become a magician?

What was that story like? Yeah, so before I became a magician I actually

have a background in music. My background in classical and rock music actually helped me to build up a showman and a virtual so mindset to practice really well.

And then it's in high school when Justin showed me this piece that got me into magic.

So, Scott, would you help me out here?

Sure.

Oh, here we're going to narrate those for those.

Yeah, just take one card from me, Scott.

Okay.

Take one card and look at the card. You can show it to Shauna and you can show

it to the cameras just for now and in a second the audio listeners still know what's going on.

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