Friends, countrymen, thank you so much for listening to the podcast. Before I start this

week's episode, I just wanted to cover a couple of things. First I wanted to give a

quick shout out. Do people still say shout out actually?

To those of you who took the time to leave iTunes feedback, I'm an idiot about that stuff, but I am told by experts,

I'm talking scientists, that it's really key in a podcast success.

So I really, really appreciate it and if you haven't left feedback but you feel like you want

to, if it's positive, you know, I would say maybe don't if it's negative, but I can't tell you what to do.

Feel free to go on there and let everybody know what you think.

This episode is edited because Maggie and I talked for such a long time that I had to make a few cuts and thank you to Katie Levine for mastering that for me because they were really hard cuts to make because we talked over each other.

Everyone knows I talk a lot as I'm doing right now.

So if you hear a few little blips and blops, that's technical terms, that's because there

were a few things that we just cut down for time.

And then at the end of the podcast,

you're going to hear part of a song by the band,

Cabin, C-A-B-I-N, which Maggie and I discussed during the podcast episode, so I hope you enjoy it.

I, that's the song and the episode.

Bye.

Now entering, Nerst.com. Oh, Hey guys, it's the JV club. I'm your host Janet Varney. I am with a friend. I was

about to say a friend and colleague like we teach at the same university.

We've been we've worked together before we are a call and technically we are colleagues.

Max that just sounds really official.

Yes, it does. I'm getting up away from the desk chair

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