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Thank you so much for listening and supporting us the Josh Marshall podcast featuring Kate Riga.

But not for long. Not for long. Don't worry. Don't worry. We're not. The podcast is not going anywhere.

But I wanted to mention something to you. As you know,

we just did our, we just did our big 25th anniversary thing. We did it a couple weeks ago now,

but we were, Kate was away, so we were off from the podcast for a couple weeks. That was back on the 6th and 7th, and if you were there, you know, you probably know just from listening to the podcast, because obviously we published the podcast that we did live at the 25th anniversary event. I haven't had a chance to talk about it. You know, if you have the podcast in your feed, you had a chance to listen to this panel that we put on about the history of the site.

And I wrote about it in the editor's blog. I really loved it. I hope you had a chance to listen to it.

I really enjoyed it. I wouldn't precise to say I learned a lot from it because I was there, right?

But I did learn a lot from it, maybe not in a literal way.

But in any case, after we were done with, you know, we did live podcast, and I guess that's

the third one we've done.

And after the second day after the party and everything, I thought about it and I kind of thought

we have outgrown the name of the site where, you know, this is the me podcast and Kate is also

the co-host or something like that. It's really a partnership. It's something we do together.

We're both co-equals in it. So I mentioned to one of my colleagues who kind of oversees, you know, branding and

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