Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to talk shop. I'm your host,

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So,

whether you're a grizzled veteran, desperately trying to cut your costs on merchandise, or else a scrappy upstart, trying to source artisanal hand-woven t-shirts for your band's Etsy store, this is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an iron-clad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the second Friday of December 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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