I'm Alan Alder and this is Clear In Vivid, conversations about connecting and communicating.

I went out and I bought a lot of costume jewelry to depict whatever I thought we were going

to do on any given day.

So on good days I wore flowers and butterflies and balloons and on bad days I wore carnivorous

animals and spiders and things.

There was a time the Russians were bugging the State Department so we did what diplomats

do which is complained to Moscow.

But the next time I met with the Foreign Minister I wore this huge bug and he knew exactly

what I was doing.

That's Madeline Alder.

I was hoping to talk with her on Clear In Vivid because when she was Secretary of State

she brought communication skills to international relations.

They were not only powerful.

They were inventive and game changing.

I'm so glad you could join me on the show because I'm such a fan of yours and you're

such an important historical figure.

And when I love about you as a historical figure is that you're a regular person to talk

to.

I love your sense of humor.

You make me laugh.

Well, I love being on a show with you because I feel that I've known you forever because

I have watched you forever and you're a historical figure.

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