Machiavelli for Women Part Two

Jill on Money with Jill Schlesinger

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Self-improvement, Education, Business, Investing

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🗓️ 26 September 2021

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Summary

This weekend we welcome Stacey Vanek Smith, NPR host of The Indicator and correspondent for Planet Money, who joined us to discuss her recently released book, Machiavelli for Women: Defend Your Worth, Grow Your Ambition, and Win the Workplace.

Women have been making strides towards equality for decades, or so we’re often told. They’ve been increasingly entering male-dominated areas of the workforce and consistently surpassing their male peers in grades, university attendance, and degrees. They’ve recently stormed the political arena with a vengeance.

But despite all of this, the payoff is, quite literally. not there: the gender pay gap has held steady at about 20% since 2000. And the number of female CEOs for Fortune 500 companies has actually been declining.

So why, in the age of #MeToo and #TimesUp, is the glass ceiling still holding strong? And how can we shatter it for once and for all? Stacy Vanek Smith’s advice: ask Machiavelli “with this delicious look at what we have to gain by examining our relationship to power.”

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Jill on Money Podcast. It is Sunday, September 26th. I wonder who the
0:10.0	jets are going to lose to today, Mark? Oh, I see. It is the Broncos. It's the four o'clock
0:16.1	game. So I will have to join in at around six to see where the damage is. I guess the
0:22.9	only good news is that I have a shot at really sort of channeling my inner upstate
0:29.4	person and root for Buffalo all in. That's really probably the best thing I could do at this
0:33.6	point. All right, we digress. Today is Sunday. It is a football Sunday. And it is also Sunday,
0:40.3	which means it's the second part of our interview with our guest and our guest this weekend, a fantastic
0:46.2	guest, Stacy Vannack Smith. She is one of the hosts of the indicator. It's the NPR podcast,
0:55.0	very popular. It's fantastic. Stacy and I are friends. So that's why we sound so normal,
1:00.0	just talking to each other. And her book is called Machiavelli for women, defend your worth,
1:05.7	grow your ambition, and win the workplace. Here is the second part of our interview with
1:11.8	Stacy Vannack Smith. Talk a little bit about the hot box. What's the hot box? And how is it
1:17.9	applicable in our day-to-day lives of navigating our careers? I am not a natural athlete, Jill.
1:25.2	I was on a T-ball team, though, early on. And I got a hit, which was very rare.
1:30.7	So it really, it really imprinted. But I was, it was like I hit the buzz like a grounder or
1:37.1	something, but I was running around bases. And I was like running from second to third or first
1:41.4	to second, I think. And the outfielder threw the ball to the second baseman. So the second baseman
1:45.6	standing there holding the ball. But I wasn't that second baseman. I was between bases. So I
1:48.9	turned around and ran back to first base. And the second baseman threw the ball to the first
1:53.7	baseman. And so basically I was running back and forth and back and forth. And I wasn't out,
1:57.9	but there was no way I wasn't going to be out. And so that was the image that came into my head
2:03.1	when I was looking at some of the research around women in the workplace, which is that there are
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