You're listening to live courtroom coverage of the trial of Karen Reid from the Hidden Killers podcast and True Crime Today. Now, back to the courtroom.

Thank you, Your Honor. So the two of you drew out some sort of a timeline for you to follow during the course of that interview.

Is that right?

For me to follow what?

During the course of that February 1st interview, as you were interviewed in Ms. McCabe's house.

I mean, that was the purpose of the timeline, to help you with that interview?

No, that wasn't the purpose of the timeline. You used it for that purpose though, obviously. We did not. I was at Jen's house making a timeline and the two officers showed up to interview her. I just happened to be there. Right. And when they interviewed you, did you have that timeline in front of you? That's my question. No, I did not. OK. But you had just created it along with Jennifer McCabe.

Some of it.

OK.

And then it was after that this timeline was coordinated

between the two of you that you actually told your second story

to the print.

And when I say second story, I mean the second time you were interviewed on February 1st as opposed to January 29th. Is that right?

Yes.

Did you ever become aware of text messages that Jennifer McCabe was sending to others in a group chat talking about you in that interview?

No.

You were never told or became aware that she sent text messages to a group as she listened in on your interview?

No. I don't think she could listen in. She wasn't anywhere near me.

You weren't aware that she, are you aware as you sit here, that she said a text message

that said she's telling them everything, all the stuff?

Sustained.

Have you ever been provided a text message or told about a text message that perhaps

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