Hi Paul. Hi Ardly. How are you doing? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm so good. It's so great to have you on Small Town Dicks. Oh I am so happy to be here. So we want to know how did we persuade you to join us here on Small Town Dicks. Oh it was it was a lot of arm twisting. Not the truth.

Well what has always impressed me about Small Town Dicks is the professionalism. First you have your authenticity. You know Dan and Dave, myself we come out of real crime. We've had real experiences. And so the audience, the listeners are getting from Small Town Dicks. What actually happens out there. Not something that's been glamorized. But also you guys don't exploit the cases. You're empathetic to the victims. And this is what I'm all about. And I know that people who know me from

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You see her disappear just for a moment and then you see her start to back up. And when she backs up she pulls out her taser and it's clear she tries to use it to know avail.

You can see her start to retreat back into the side hallway and right on her heels. He's on a rampage. She's in a fight for her life.

Hi there. I'm Yardley. I'm Dan and I'm Dave. And this is Small Town Dicks.

Dave and I are identical twins and we're retired detectives from Small Town USA. Together we've investigated thousands of cases from petty theft to sex crimes, from child abuse to murder. Every case in our podcast is told by the detective who investigated it, offering a rare personal account of how they broke the case.

Names, places and certain details including relationships have been altered to protect the privacy of the victims and their families. And although we're aware that some of our listeners may be familiar with these cases, we ask you to please join us in continuing to protect the true identities of those involved out of respect for what they've been through.

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Hey on Small Town Dicks we have the usual suspects. We have Detective Dave. Good morning. Good morning. So good to see you. It's great to be back. And we have Detective Dan. Hello there. Hello you. So Small Town fam. I'm so very excited to let you know that today's case comes from our one and only Detective Dave.

We can't get enough of you. More you is always better. More Dan also always better. Careful what you ask for. I would like that wish to come true. All right. So tell us how this case came to you.

This case is from several years ago. I was a detective at the time and had replaced one of our other detectives on an interagency team of detectives the deadly force investigation team where we are charged with investigating uses of force by the police.

So anytime a person contacted by the police is injured seriously during the course of that interaction with the police due to a use of force. This team gets activated and it's two or three detectives from each agency within our county.

And so this activation of our investigation team was the first activation since my appointment to the team. And so I was kind of like, wow, I don't know what I'm doing. I guess I'll just show up and they'll tell me where to go.

So when a call came out, somebody just gave me a heads up, hey, they heard that something had happened in a neighboring agencies jurisdiction and that they were calling over the radio to activate our team. And so somebody came back and said, hey, Dave, looks like you're going to be working not in our city today.

So the drive to this jurisdiction is about an hour and I didn't have much detail while going over there. All I understood was an inmate had been involved with some sort of a fight with jail officers and had died as a result of this fight.

When I got to this jail, I'd say 90% of our team was already there. So the guys from our county team, which is Carl Chad, Steve, Greg, another Dave, as if we need more days.

So I walked into this jail and it's like your first day at school. I think we should explain what this jail is. It is a municipal jail for this small town. It's about an hour from where we work.

They have their own municipal court. Their municipal court can order people who have violated city ordinances to serve time in their jail. So they don't have to send them to the county jail, which is near where Dave and I worked.

How big is this little jail? This little jail has about 12 to 15 cells. Okay. It's small. So as I walked into the jail, I'm thinking my first time with the team, kind of want to get the rhythm and see how it feels.

I see Carl and Andy, the two folks in charge of our investigation team. I'm like, hey guys, they said, welcome to the team. I was like, what do you need me to do? They said, well, we wanted to talk to you about that.

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