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Luigi Zingales, my conversant, is one of the best and best-known economists, both in

the United States and in Europe.

He's written three best-selling books, the most recent of which just came out in Italian.

It's called Europe or No.

A capitalism for the people from three years ago is, in my view, perhaps the best book

on the current American economy and what's wrong with it and what should be done.

And with Ragu Rajaan, he has an earlier book, Saving Capitalism from the Capitalists.

Luigi's contributions are far-ranging.

He's been at the Graduate School of Business of University of Chicago.

For now, I think, 27 years.

He is a major contributor to theory of the firm, politics, culture, governance.

This is just a small sliver of the papers he has written in addition to the three books.

He is now the director of the Stigler Center at the University of Chicago.

Most of all in recent times, Luigi has been known for his biting critique of what we

all sometimes call crony capitalism.

There's more I could say, but let's get to the dialogue.

Now I think of a lot of your work as bringing the ideas of culture and governance into economics.

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