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Not long ago, a journalist called me up and asked me, whose papers do you look forward

to reading more than any others?

And my answer without really hesitating was Danny Rodrick.

So he's our guest today.

He's arguably the world's leading and most important economist on trade, globalization,

industrial policy, and lately the prerequisites for liberal democracy.

His new book, which I'll mention again, Economics Rules that spelt RULS.

Why should I not read my own blurb?

Quote.

The best economists make the best methodologists, and Danny Rodrick is both.

His Economics Rules is the single best source for explaining the strengths and weaknesses

of economics to an outside audience.

So we're going to start this conversation with some questions about some of your recent

papers on this topic of premature deindustrialization.

I find this one of the most interesting themes in your work.

The notion that a mix of automation and competitive trade with wealthier nations might mean that

poorer nations today will not be able to industrialize and follow the path of South Korea or Taiwan

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