Welcome to the Emma Gunn Show. Life's defining moments don't always feel that great

when they're happening. In the moment they can feel challenging, uncomfortable, difficult,

impossible even, but with hindsight they can take on a different shape. With the benefit

of that 2020 perspective we can begin to see how the most difficult times were a life

lesson we didn't know we needed to learn. Each week I asked my guest to share their

biggest life learnings to date as we explore those difficult, swampy, infuriating times

and how they shaped them all from a comfortable distance that supported them the time to take

the positive out of what might have seemed nothing but negative at the time because

whether it's obstacles, challenges, risks, excuses, opportunities, successes, failures

or curveballs, they are the reason they are the person they are today, the person sitting

in front of me on this episode of the Emma Gunn Show. Deep down I always thought yes

I can so my kind of deep subconscious was like go for it you can do it but then it

was that kind of niggle in my mind that no you can't and then I guess through life sort

of bullying and rejection just echo that made it seem loud you know I need to be challenged

I need to be in a situation where actually I just have to do it and I think that was

the great thing with the army was doing the basic training because you couldn't say

excuse me Sergeant Major you know it just wouldn't wash yeah I mean I think if it's really

stick then anything is possible I kind of think well if someone else has done that then

I can do that there is no reason why that person can why I can't do it it's not about me

look at me it's about what I can do to help you it feels like a gift it feels empowering

it feels like a just a kind of just secret superpower that we can all have