Hi and welcome to the working songwriter, the show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug.

Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music.

So, whether you're a grizzled veteran, wearing a Billy Eilish t-shirt to impress your

nephew, or else a scrappy upstart, wearing a vintage Jayhawks t-shirt to impress your uncle,

this is your show, because ultimately it is what every writer seeks most, an ironclad

excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey guys, it's Friday, August 7th, 2020, and I thank you for joining us.

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