From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

It's The Treatment.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

We can also hear the show at KCRW.com slash the treatment.

My guest director, Luko Guandino, is not afraid of

controversy. He leans to it because so often what he does is about the relationship between

people who think they're predators and people who think their prey and how slippery that relationship

is. First of all, I should say the film is after the hunt. It's always a pleasure to have you here. Thanks to doing this. I'm super happy to be here. Thank you. And I couldn't help but think about who's afraid of Virginia Woolf from the very first scene. First of all, I'm very happy you say so, and you are in a great right track because that was a movie that I thought a lot. And in general, I thought a lot about Mike Nichols, the way in which Mike Nichols built the

frame, build the movement of the actors, created a dynamic between characters and directed

great movie stars. So the real lighthouse for me was a lot of thoughts on Mike Nichols.

I mean, that's the way is Andrew Garfield and Julie Roberts in that first scene.

It's like watching Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton in that scene, especially the way she's dressed in that scene, the way she inhabits that sofa.

I mean, you're basically

telling us that that character is a star in her own world. Yeah. And they are performing.

Oh my God. And that's the theater of their performances. And that's their life. In fact, the way

they're set, it's theater in the round, the way they're surrounded by people around them

who are like sort of paying attention to their own conversations, the way they're surrounded by people around them who are like

sort of paying attention to their own conversations without quite, they're basically, she's performed in her own living room for the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I could not think about that. They're so dazzling in conversation. We almost expect them to get applause at the end of that scene. I think so. I think she's kind of commanding the gaze of everyone,

and she wants to have the moment in which after, at the end of that scene. I think so. I think she's kind of commanding the gaze of everyone

and she wants to have the moment in which after a monologue,

everybody's going to say, wow, an applause.

I agree with you.

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