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Claire Pearlman has been a guest on the Lovecast before.

She is a certified sex therapist based in the Bay Area.

Claire and I, after hitting it off on the Lovecast, have been getting together on Instagram live every once in a while to talk about the TV shows we're watching.

Mostly we've talked about hunting wives, which is a terrible show with a lot of crazy sex scenes.

We had such a blast talking about hunting wives that I knew I wanted to get together with Claire for an open-ended, go-deep, long-ass conversation about the television show.

Everybody is talking about right now.

Yes, heated rivalry.

I hope you enjoy my conversation with Claire, but a quick spoiler alert before we start.

If you have not yet watched the show, which Nancy has not yet watched,

there are spoilers ahead.

So if you're going to watch,

go watch the show. Don't listen to this first.

I don't even think this will make sense.

My conversation with Claire will make sense to you

if you have not yet watched the show.

All right, here is me and Claire on Shane and Ilya.

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