Hello, everybody. Welcome to Radical Canter Podcast. I'm Kim Scott.

I'm Jason Rozoff. And I'm Amy Sandler. You know, most of us have encountered a person at work

who always has a lot to say about those very important projects they're working on and how

amazing they're going to be. This person is what Andre

Spicer, an organizational behavior professor and dean of Bay's business school, has called

a loud laborer, which is hard to say multiple times quickly, loud laborer. Should we try it,

Kim? No, let's go. Loud laborer. Should we try it, Kim? No, let's go.

Quick laborer. Well, the term is new. The behavior is not. Attention seeking folks who labor

loudly love to talk about the work they're doing while actually doing very little of it.

They're also more likely to gravitate towards highly visible tasks that make

it easy to show everyone how amazing they are. Spicer writes for the Guardian that, quote,

loud laborers have learned a crucial lesson from performance artists. Performance artists take

nearly any aspect of their life and calls it art. The loud laborer takes nearly anything

they do and relabels it work. There's no experience no matter how ephemeral that a loud

laborer can't turn into weighty work. They show their unstinting work ethic by making their

entire life into an endless assignment. End quote. I think we would only see that

in a British publication, that lovely paragraph there. Kim, I think you sometimes call this

obloviating BSer. Is this a form of manipulative insincerity? What's happening here?

I think it's a form of obnoxious aggression. I think the bloviating, and I would love to get

your all's thoughts on the difference. I think there's maybe, I don't want to try to, you know,

parse words too much. But I think for me, the bloviating bullshitter is that is slightly different than the loud labor.

The bloviating BS is the person who just makes stuff up and assumes they're right.

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