Several homes in the suburb of Northwood had the most beautiful landscaping.

Such perfection.

The neighbor responsible, retiree Arvin Shreve.

It reminded me of Mr. Rogers.

But Arvin hit a dark secret.

My mom took me to this house, and then I never lived with her again.

Arvin's message was, I have key to get you into heaven.

Gardens of Evil is the unbelievable story of the Zion Society cult told by those who lived it.

Find Gardens of Evil inside the Zion Society cult wherever you listen to podcasts.

Richard Karlbaum, our very special guest today.

We're talking about many, many things, including an amendment here in Minnesota. How many states now

has this, uh, this amendment passed? 30. 30? 30. 30. 30. And 30 votes? I didn't know that many.

My question, right. I wanted to get into some other stuff, but, but this just, I have to ask you

this question. Non-vote is a no vote, isn't to ask you this question.

Non-vote is a no-vote, isn't it?

That's correct.

Very unique to Minnesota.

No state has ever had that statutory advantage.

Yeah, I was wondering about that because I thought, well, a non-vote is a no-vote.

How could these things not have passed?

I mean, not passed.

Yeah, exactly.

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