Several homes in the suburb of Northwood had the most beautiful landscaping.

Such perfection.

The neighbor responsible, retiree Arvin Shreve.

It reminded me of Mr. Rogers.

But Arvin hit a dark secret.

My mom took me to this house, and then I never lived with her again.

Arvin's message was, I have key to get you into heaven.

Gardens of Evil is the unbelievable story of the Zion Society cult told by those who lived

it.

Find Gardens of Evil inside the Zion Society cult wherever you listen to podcasts.

Just a little quick information on, we're talking to Dr. Wayne Dyer-Frank, right?

I think I was on with you once before, right? Yeah. I think you're right about it. What's he do? He writes self-help books. No. Some other words in else. He's written 41 self-help books. Does he written the self-help book on how to write your self-help book? Well, he sold 150 million books. Yeah. Who doesn't do that?

In this day and age, people read, whatever.

He's Mr. Buddhist meditation guy.

I'm sure you've hurt.

Well, yeah, me and Tupac Chokra.

What's his name?

Chopra.

Yes.

Deepak. Deepak.

Sacrilege.

I can bring two people. Tupac Shakur and Tipak Chopra. Yes, he did. I've met him. I've met Chopra before, though. Oh, yeah. At a corporate event. We did nothing together. It was a very dramatic moment right there. Frank Kellyanne, our very special guest. I we had Dr. Wayne Dyer on, sold 150 million books, whatever, and he talked about Carl Jung's theory of synchronicity. I don't know if you're anything about that or not, but I had thought of someone that I hadn't seen in five years. That night he called me and said, I want to hire you to do a voiceover. Okay. Then the next one, I was thinking about Norm Coleman to debate Chris Cleoie, you know,

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