David! Marty Barron announced he is retiring as executive editor of the Washington Post

in February. What I want to know is, does anyone in 2021 better fit the archetype of newspaper

editor as hero? Oh wow. I thought you were going to ask me if there would ever be another

hero, like a newspaper editor as hero. Dean Beke will get his love when he steps down

with the air at times. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's true. I mean, I feel like Marty Barron might

be the last of the sort of breed of editors that, you know, might have almost certainly had the

word swashbuckling attached to their name when they were in their 30s and some, you know, insider

print journal, you know, right? I mean, like, that's the mandatory adjective for a brave editor

as swashbuckling. Right. I don't think that I don't think we're there anymore. I think

Dean Beke is sort of a new archetype, which is just like a sort of earnest, a serious kind of

guardian of the genre. Does that make sense that like, there was a time where like, newspapers were

so stodgy or viewed as so stodgy that we wanted our editors to be flashy. And now for the, for the

for newspapers to continue, the editors need to be almost stodgy or than the things they do. They

need to be the, the, you know, they need to be so, so nerdy for lack of a better word about

their subject. So, and so protective of it. So like grounded in the old school that we might not

really see editors of that kind of flashy, more at the big periodicals. It's true. Though, I never

got the sense with Marty Barron, hearing people talk about him that he was exactly been Bradley

strutting around the newsroom. Sure. With that kind of, you know, that kind of, you know, I don't

know, bono me or whatever it is. I will say this, no matter what genuinely great stuff a newspaper

editor does at his or her day job. Is it not true that their cultural capital is increased one

billion fold when they are played in a movie by someone like Leab Shriver? Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, Ben Bradley was a legendary swash buckling newspaper editor, but he got played twice

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