there's enough evidence without the hair. I don't think they need the hair. I just don't think the hair is kind of the smoking gun the way a lot of people tend to believe it is.

Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor, where we're all just trying to survive in a rough world.

Welcome to another episode of surviving the survivor the

podcast that promises to bring you the very best guess in all of true crime.

It's not just a tagline, it is our reality and you're about to see why.

And if you're interested in the twisted mind of Lori Valo de Bell, you've come on the right day because we have one therapist and two criminology professors, and I'm about to introduce you to them.

It is week five of the Lori Valade Bell trial.

This week obviously considers

to be one of the most stunning and pivotal weeks in the trial as it was

revealed that a single hair on duct tape uh... found

uh... around j j j jay j's body on a plastic bag is in fact Lori Valos and we'll ask our

guess how important or not important that is. Most people think it is it is quite a salient point that the state made when they dropped that

the state made when they dropped that bomb earlier in the week.

Now, of course, this is the trial of the so-called doomsday mom, the wildly twisted story of a seemingly loving mother, a self-proclaimed devout member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who clearly veered way off course and became involved in the

deaths of as many as five people, including her own children.

Without further ado, best guess, Dr. Amy Schlossberg has a master's degree in forensic psychology.

She is in blue and a PhD, hence the doctor in criminal justice.

She is currently department chair and an associate professor of criminology at Fairley Dickinson University. And for those who don't know it is from the great state of New Jersey my hat is obscuring my Jersey flag and

congratulations to both of you because Fairly Dickinson, I think they went to the Elite Eight this year, right?

So it was a crazy, crazy Ron.

Was it the Elite Eight, Megan Sachs?

We didn't make it that far, but there was a major victory against,

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