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at surviving the Survivor and today just one best

guest but a very special one and we're going to introduce him in a moment but

those who have been watching this podcast know that we have followed the Lori Valo-Dabelle case very closely and intently

She was sentenced to life in prison without parole back on July 31st, which is exactly what she deserves,

although some believe she deserves the ultimate punishment.

But believe it or not, she is still awaiting trial in another case in Arizona.

She is separately charged there with conspiring to murder her fourth husband, Charles

Valo, with the help of her now deceased brother Alex Cox who mysteriously

died three months after the children's disappearance I just had Adam Cox his

brother on along with Gr grunkle Rex Connor and they are they aren't so sure what happened to Alex Cox but they are they would not be surprised if it was not an unnatural death is what they told me

Lori Valle of course is also charged with conspiracy to murder her niece's estranged husband Brandon Boudreau

after he narrowly escaped a drive-by shooting but today we're going to speak about

the Idaho case in Boise and that's because we have our best guess juror

number 18 whose real name is Tom Evans and he is here today for a one-on-one chat he's just written a book and it's all going

to a special cause and I'll have Tom explain that in the moment but the title of the book is Money, Power, and Sex, the Lori

Valo de Bell trial. And we get into it in just one moment. But there's another book out there there and I've got an exciting announcement

which is why I bring it up I just found out this is for the Amazon order this is my

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