Maybe you should talk to someone. For instance, the author of the book titled,

Maybe You Should Talk to Someone. It's Depression Mode. I'm John Moe. I'm glad you're here.

We're not exactly going to therapy in today's episode. It's more like we're going to, going to therapy.

We're learning about the best approach to get the most out of your therapy sessions, how to get good at it.

My guest is Lori Gottlieb. She's a therapist, a therapy client, and author of the aforementioned book, Maybe You Should Talk to Someone.

It's a memoir where she explores both roles of the therapy relationship.

Laurie also writes the Dear Therapist column in the Atlantic and co-hosts the Dear Therapists, plural, podcast.

Music Therapist's Plural Podcast. Lori Gottlie, welcome to depression mode.

Well, thank you, John.

You know, we hear a lot of people say, well, you need to go to therapy. You just need to get

to therapy. You need to, maybe you should go talk to someone, perhaps somebody says. But I thought

it might bear some investigation into how best to go to therapy. And for that, we're turning to

you. Let's maybe start before we ever arrive in the office or Zoom

call with a therapist. What are some things that you want people to know in the process of

selecting who they want to go see? Well, that is so important because study after study shows that the most

important factor in the so-called success of your therapy, whether you grow, whether you

get something out of it, is your relationship with your therapist. It matters more than the

number of years of experience they have, then the modality they're using.

All of that matters.

So don't get me wrong.

That matters.

But it doesn't matter as much as how you feel in the relationship with your therapist,

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