How much legal trouble is Donald J. Trump really in? Are the walls closing in or are we

about to find out that some people are in fact above the law?

Welcome to the Bull Work Podcast. I'm Charlie Sykes and this is our new companion

podcast, The Trump Trials, that we feature every Thursday in partnership with Law Fair.

Today, potentially huge developments, new audio tapes of Donald Trump talking about

classified documents reports that Jack Smith is scrutinizing how Trump aids handled surveillance

cameras at Mar-a-Lago, new interest in the firing of Chris Krebs and the latest developments

in the New York prosecution and New Poll showing a growing number of Americans believe that

Trump committed crimes. And joining me again this morning on this June 1st Law Fair's

Editor-in-Chief Ben Wittis, the author of the invaluable dog shirt daily newsletter. Good

morning, Ben. How are you?

Lordy, there are tapes.

There are tapes. You know, that is kind of the amazing thing that after all this time,

you realize that there are tapes. Although I suppose it's not that shocking that Donald

Trump, who is known for his verbal incontinence, would have just spewed out to somebody. Yeah,

I have them. And I know what I'm not supposed to.

Right. But then also be recording that or having somebody be recording that. I mean,

again, this does follow the first rule of criminal behavior, which is do not record yourself

doing it. And it's not a hard rule to follow. I mean, we're not talking about hidden cameras

or somebody being, you know, don't do the crimes in recorded medium. It's just bad

practice if you're going to be a criminal. And there's, you know, arguments for and against

that. But being a criminal on digital media is really a bad idea.

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