If you're shipping 500,000 pallets per year, charging two,

that puts you like at a million in revenue per year.

There's no way you're doing a million in revenue per year.

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Hello everyone. My guest today is Orrin Zislanski. He has logistics and innovation running

through his veins. He followed his parents' footsteps who created their own freight

forwarder after years with Foreman's van line. He found that his own 100 truck fleet at age 20

providing white glove freight service through the U.S. and Canada. Next came sole source,

Orrin's first brokerage, which services major clients like Whole Foods and opened his eyes to the

unnecessary complications and inefficiencies of L-to-L shipping.

Lauren, you ready to take us to the top?

I am. Thanks for having me.

So through all this experience, you've now built flock freight. Let's start with a tease there

and then get more of your history. What's flock freight doing today?

We create what we call shared truckloads or algorithmic carpooling. So it's a little complicated thing

to think of. But if you had four pallets of commercially manufactured goods and you're in LA and you

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